July 2nd Morning Update

July 2nd, 2008 · 69 Comments

By Kiley McDaniel

There has been intrigue, rumors, and large amounts of money flying around with the opening of the signing period for nearly all of the top 16 year olds in Latin America beginning this morning.

Some scouts and agents started posting in the comments of the scouting reports article and 100 comments later, it turned into a liveblog of sorts of international rumors and facts. It’s still a comments section, so take it with a grain of salt, but there’s some good stuff in there.

ESPN Deportes broke the story that both the Rangers and Reds offered $5 million to Michel Inoa, but he stuck with the A’s offer of $4.25 million because of his comfort with their organization and confidence in their pitcher development system.

The Reds offered a $5 million big league deal and the Rangers went to $5.2 million in a standard minor league deal.

I had heard a few other teams involved on the high end of the Inoa sweepstakes, but the Reds and Rangers had the most buzz all along and now it’s clear why. This is proof that these teams are serious about Latin America, and also underlines a common July 2nd occurrence that I’ll touch on after the jump.

Read on for much more on these developments, and an early list of July 2nd signings after the jump…

EDIT: I’ve added some updated signings and bonus information.

(Michel Inoa photo credit: Victor Perez/ESPNDeportes.com)

Some notes on done deals, or at least the ones that have leaked out so far, beyond Inoa’s $4.25 million to Oakland:

ESPN Deportes tags a few signings on the end of the Inoa story:

- LHP Carlos Perez to Atlanta for $600,000
- SS Anderson Felix to the Yankees for $500,000
- RHP Pedro Martinez to San Diego for $150,000
- SS Jimmy De Los Santos to Atlanta for $100,000

Mentioned in the comments and later confirmed:

- 3B Gustavo Pierre to Toronto
- SS Jose Osoria to Cleveland for $575,000

Padres.com has a press release on the elite talent San Diego has locked up:

- RHP Adis Portillo, $2.2 million
- SS Alvaro Aristy
- RF Luis Domoromo, $1.2 million
- RHP Elvin Tavarez
- UT Corey Adamson

The Padres aren’t messing around, with a spanking new $8.5 million academy in the Dominican and getting some top talent on the first day of the open period. You can check the release for info on the players, like Adamson, who is from Australia and I have little information on.

Aristy, Domoromo, and Portillo were long rumored to be headed to the Padres and are covered in the international scouting reports article. Tavarez, and many of these other players, have bios in Enrique Rojas’ international preview for ESPN Deportes.

Hat tip to commenter Paul, who led me to the link and mentioned some numbers that have been rumored for the last few weeks, and I was able to confirm Portillo’s and Domoromo’s bonuses, while Aristy is strongly rumored to have signed for $1 million and Adamson is said to have been paid in the $500,000 range, but I wasn’t able to get a solid number for Tavarez.

Padres exec Paul DePodesta has his own thoughts on the Padres July 2nd signees at his blog.

The Yankees have also made their signees official:

- INF Giancarlo Arias
- C/3B Jackson Valera
- OF Ramon Flores
- SS Anderson Felix
- RF Yeico Calderon

As mentioned above, Felix was for $500,000, and all of these players were fringe seven figure talents that the Yankees locked up early in the process. While the bonuses aren’t clear yet for all of these players, it appears all five were for below-market, value-type deals between $500,000 and $900,000.

Calderon, Flores, and Arias have reports in the scouting reports article, but, in short, all are excellent hitters with corner player type skills, though Arias may stick at second base. Felix is a hitability shortstop with gap-to-gap power likely moving to second base, and Valera keeps with the theme as a very good bat with plus power but no clear position.

The Yankees focused on guys with high-probability bats that they were able to get at below-market prices, all in an exploding market. This is a dynamic I’ll touch in the next article as the teams that were ahead of the curve and spending a lot of money in Latin America for many years are now trying to find ways to get solid values in a crowded market.

The big market, established teams are the ones with the infrastructure in place to pull off something like the Yankees did; the experienced scouts, relationships, reputation, know-how, etc. Notice how none of the traditional Latin powers are on these big, seven-figure talents, that it’s all relatively new teams trying to make a name for themselves. I’m sure the Mariners, Braves, Red Sox, and Mets list of signees will look pretty similar to that Yankees list.

The Rangers would be considered by some to be a traditional power (others would say it’s the group listed aboce), but it’s not uncommon for players to take less money on July 2nd from a scout/team they are comfortable with, that have a track record with the player, reputation, and tradition. Every year, a team wanting to make a splash makes a late play for top players and gets rebuffed, it just doesn’t always make the papers. While sometimes the player/agent take the money, taking less money is more common than many fans may assume. This open market doesn’t necessarily work like the MLB free agent market, and that’s part of the intrigue.

In the same vein, some good players never get seen by these other teams and some big market teams will get a player for $100,000 that they would’ve paid up to $500,000 for. Obviously, that becomes less and less common by the day. The days seem to be over where teams get a discount because a player grew up wanting to play for them; the scout that knew them when they were 12 is the new best way to get a player for a good value, hence the rush by many teams in the last few years to get the infrastructure of the big market teams in place.

The Braves made two signings in Taiwan, hat tip to reader George L.:

- RHP Wei-Chen Huang for $125,000.
- C Meng-Hsiu Tsai for $100,000

Reported by the Taiwan Baseball Blog, Huang is an 18 year old righty at 6′0, 185 lbs with a fastball that tops out at 90, with a curve and change. Here are some pictures on his agent’s web site of his press conference

Also from the Taiwan Baseball Blog, Tsai is a 5′11, 190 pound that shows an above-average arm and reportedly had interest from the Red Sox, Twins, and Mariners, as well.

While I finish up the next article about the Latin market and bonuses, along with gathering more confirmed signings, take a look at the notes article I wrote to introduce the July 2nd signing period with some numbers and a general feel for the process.

We also have a number of Latin sources posting confirmed numbers in the comments for this article and the ones before it.  I can’t confirm all of these, but the commenters haven’t been proven wrong yet, so if you’re looking for news on your team, take a look.

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Tags: International · News & Notes · Scouting Reports

69 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Paul // Jul 2, 2008 at 11:52 am

    The Padre’s website is reporting that the Padres signed Portillo (2.2M), Aristy (1M), Domorono (1.2M) and Elvin Tavarez.
    https://www.sandiego.padres.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080702&content_id=3049394&vkey=news_sd&fext=.jsp&c_id=sd

  • 2 OnBaseMachine // Jul 2, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Are the Reds signing anyone?

  • 3 kileymcd // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Thanks for the heads up, Paul. We had mentioned 3 of those 4 as rumors here, so some good guessing.

    OBM,
    It isn’t for a lack of effort, but I haven’t heard a confirmed name yet, and the rampant Reds/Yorman Rodriguez rumors won’t go away, but it doesn’t appear he had a deal done all along as he was rumored to be re-shopping himself recently. It also appears Yorman won’t be able to sign for at least a few weeks, as he can’t sign until he turns 16, and no one seems to know what date that is, most saying late July or August.

  • 4 OnBaseMachine // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Thank you.

    You said the Reds have spent 3-4 million already on pre-July 2nd players, do you know anything about those players besides Duran?

  • 5 Brian // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Any Nationals news?

    There was a passing comment regarding a rumored investigation. Any other details that can be shared?

  • 6 kileymcd // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Brian,
    I was able to confirm the Nationals are being investigated as the comments suggested. This likely explains their lack of news thus far, but they still may make a few moves.

    I have no real details beyond that, and simply reporting that generally implies guilt, so I didn’t want to run with it in an article.

    OBM,
    Don’t have too much on the Reds other signings, but I know it was a handful of guys that added up to over $1 million (obviously), so you can assume it was a small collection of under the radar types in the low 6 figures and under. But you probably already knew that, sorry I don’t have any more.

  • 7 OnBaseMachine // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Thanks again. You do a wonderful job with this website.

  • 8 kileymcd // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Hey, that’s what we aim for. Just wait for this next batch of stuff, should be right up your alley.

  • 9 Uncle John's Band // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Any info on who the Royals are linked to? They were considered one of the top suitors for Portillo, but it looks like that ship has passed.

  • 10 Lance // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Any word about the Cardinals signing anyone yet??

  • 11 OnBaseMachine // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    I’m looking forward to it Kiley.

    If someone had told me last week that the Reds would offer five million dollars and a major league contract to Inoa, I would have thought he’d be a Red by now. Especially considering the strong Latin influence on the Reds pitching staff with Johnny Cueto, Edinson Volquez, and Francisco Cordero, along with Mario Soto coaching. I can’t blame him for accepting the A’s deal considering the their strong track record of developing young pitchers.

  • 12 Norberto // Jul 2, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Any news on Morban? Any News on the Red Sox?

  • 13 Aaron // Jul 2, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Any Red Sox signings?

  • 14 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    He didn’t accept the A’s deal b/c of their strong track record of developing young pitchers.

  • 15 taveras // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:01 am

    roberto, morban to mariners.

  • 16 taveras // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:08 am

    onBasemachine, reds sign ss from bani.

  • 17 Wei // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Some agents are shopping around their clients in Taiwan.

    CSMG-RHP Rong-Hao Hsieh, 18, 6′1”, 188, fastball 86-89mph, highest velocity 91mph, slider. Good command of pitches. But has regressed this year velocity not as good as before. Does not have good changeup or forkball. Heard that the asking price is $400,000. Braves appear to be the only team interested.

    WMG-RHP Cheng-Hao Wang, 18, 5′10”, 180, fastball 87-92mph, slider, forkball. Asking price is $300,000. Cubs not long ago had tryout.

    Jerry Sung-RHP Chih-Lung Huang, 19, 5′9”, 174, fastball 86-90mph, highest velocity 92mph, slider, forkball. Asking price is $300,000. Word is that Rangers had some interest.

    Bros Sports-RHP Kai-Wen Cheng, 20, 5′9”, 176, fastball 87-90mph, highest velocity 93mph, good slider, quality command. Asking price is $150,000. Twins interested.

    IBB-RHP Ying-Shan Wang, 19, 6′1”, 178, fastball 87-89mph, highest velocity 90mph, good curveball, has a changeup. Okay delivery. Asking price is $250,000.

    IBB-C Kun-Shen Lin, 21, 5′9”, 180, good defensively, good hands. White Sox interested.

    KDN-RHP Chia-Jen Lo, 22, 5′11”, 180, fastball 89-93mph, highest velocity is 94mph, hard curveball, forkball. Asking price is $400,000. Red Sox, Rangers, and Athletics interested.

    KDN-LHP Yi-Cheng Wang, 22, 6′3”, 174, fastball 86-90mph, highest velocity is 91mph, slider, forkball. Asking price is $400,000. Yankees interested.

  • 18 OnBaseMachine // Jul 3, 2008 at 1:27 am

    What’s the SS’s name and do you know how much he was signed for?

  • 19 taveras // Jul 3, 2008 at 1:43 am

    OnBaseMachine. $300,ooo. he was working out on june 19 reds complex .

  • 20 OnBaseMachine // Jul 3, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Thanks. Do you know of anymore signings or have any other updates of Yorman?

  • 21 Brandon // Jul 3, 2008 at 2:40 am

    Wei what about Kwon Hyeok when is he an FA ?

  • 22 Franvene // Jul 3, 2008 at 3:56 am

    The Venezuela Market was really slow today.
    The Royals Signed an OF from Caracas Jerico Blanco by a signing bonus of US$ 260,000.
    The Red Sox signed a pair of Venezuelan Players: Catcher Oscar Perez $750,000 and INF Juan Ugas US$300,000.
    The Rangers Signed INF Odubel Herrera US$ 160,000, the Cleveland Indians signed a 3B Alex David Monsalve US $750,000.
    Also, Oakland signed an OF from Caracas city Fajeh by US$ 130,000.
    Yorman Rodriguez can be signed on August 15th when he turns 16.
    Best regars.

  • 23 BETO // Jul 3, 2008 at 4:01 am

    There are some other venezuelan players in the Market tonight:
    Ismael Guillon LHP, Carlos Pimentel RHP, Wilder Perez RHP, Richard Alvarez RHP this guy cannot be signed until august 14, Daniel Sanchez RHP, Julio Guillarte, all this group of players could get in between US$ 75,000 and US$500,000 respectfully.

  • 24 Wei // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Brandon–I dunno about Hyeok I believe he is Korean

  • 25 Brandon // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Yes he is Wei. A LHP in his early 20’s I was just curious why no one has caught on or when he will be eligible to be on the market.

  • 26 erik // Jul 3, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Any word on what the Cardinals are up to? I just have to keep asking, I guess.

  • 27 River Ave. Blues | 2008 International Signees // Jul 3, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    […] okay, that was lame) Calderon (DR) & Ramon Flores (Venezuela), and catcher Jackson Valera (VZ). Saber Scouting says these players were “fringe seven figure talents” who apparently agreed to below […]

  • 28 dre // Jul 3, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Any word on the NY Mets? They are usually active this time of the year but i havent heard anything about them.

  • 29 Max // Jul 3, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Any update on who the Rangers signed other than inf Odubel Herrera and lhpVicente Escobar?

  • 30 erik // Jul 4, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Give Liquid his credit, he nailed the Cardinals on Roberto Pina. He signed. So did Santo Franco.

  • 31 liquid0623 // Jul 4, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Erik… thanks!

  • 32 OnBaseMachine // Jul 4, 2008 at 2:53 am

    The name of the SS the Reds signed is Junior Arias.

  • 33 derrick // Jul 4, 2008 at 5:24 am

    Any other Royals signings

  • 34 CW // Jul 4, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Is there any info out there on players the Tigers signed?

  • 35 Wei // Jul 5, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Tigers signed Taiwan OF Tang, $500,000.

  • 36 erik // Jul 5, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Liquid, if you are there give me a shout! I’d love to pick your brain on some of the Cardinal signees, if you woudn’t mind. You can reach me at eriknmanningATgmailDOTcom. Thanks!

  • 37 Sunny // Jul 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Have the Braves made any significant signings yet? If so who?

  • 38 Wei // Jul 7, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Sorry, Tang for $50,000 only

  • 39 Chris // Jul 7, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Wei, what do you know about RHP Cheng-Hao Wang who you said the Cubs had a workout for? Are they interested in anyone else in Taiwan? Thank you!

  • 40 Logan // Jul 9, 2008 at 4:43 am

    Astros? ANYTHING at al??? Sigh…l

  • 41 liquid0623 // Jul 9, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    The Astros signed a player for 320k. I think that was the highest. They put in a very high bid for Rafael Rodriguez.

  • 42 liquid0623 // Jul 9, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Astros 3B - Darwin Rivera 320k Dominican. Highest bonus

  • 43 metafour // Jul 9, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Liquid do you know if Toronto signed anyone else except Pierre?

  • 44 Chris // Jul 9, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Liquid, I know you had mentioned earlier that the Cubs wouldn’t be after any of the big names but would get a few signings potentially high risk/high reward guys. Do you know if they have inked anyone?

    By the way, thanks for your contributions throughout all the comments. It’s great to hear of signings that don’t get the publicity that the Inoas, Portillo, et al get.

  • 45 Rico // Jul 9, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Is Rafael Rodriguez to the Giants a done deal? What’s the latest on Yorman?

  • 46 otab // Jul 10, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Liquid, do you know or have you heard about any of Phillies signings?

  • 47 teo // Jul 11, 2008 at 4:57 am

    I’M SO HAPPY THAT MY NEPHEW,ROBERTO PINA,GOT SIGNED BY THE CARDINALS,SO HE EVENTUALY COULD PLAY ALONG OF MY #1 PLAYER.MR, ALBERT PUJOLS

  • 48 lassie01 // Jul 11, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    teo,

    Congrats to your nephew, I hope he has a long, terrific career with the redbirds. What’s the story behind him going by Roberto De La Cruz, if you don’t mind sharing that? I had heard the Cards where in on Roberto Pina but thought they had missed out on him when his name didn’t come up on the announcment.

  • 49 Wei // Jul 12, 2008 at 4:11 am

    Chris, I think Cubs also like RHP Wen-Hao Cheng, agent is KDN, 5′9” 17 years of age, 87-91mph. Cubs also like 2B Ping-Chie Chen, 5′11” skinny above average runner but no power, also 17 years of age.

  • 50 Carlos Sanchez // Jul 12, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    A reliable source recently informed me that last Thrusday Cardinals executives along with instructors conducted a workout with Rodriguez. Parties have reportedly agreed to $3.3 million bonus.

  • 51 erik // Jul 12, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Hey Carlos…if check back here please email me at eriknmanningATgmailDOTcom. That’s great news and I was wondering if I could talk to you for a moment about it.

  • 52 Naldo // Jul 13, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Carlos… do you mean Rodriguez as in yorman or rafael?

  • 53 Carlos Sanchez // Jul 13, 2008 at 4:34 am

    Yorman Rodriguez

  • 54 lassie01 // Jul 15, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Has anyone heard anything recently about Edward Salcedo? It’s strange that it still hasn’t been anounced if he’s signed…..unless I missed it.

  • 55 Chris // Jul 15, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Thank you very much for the details, Wei.

  • 56 Liquid // Jul 16, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    The Philles signed 3/4 mid guys instead of putting all of their money into one player. When I know the names I will post.

    Toronto was trying to sign a kid for like 300-350k. I will also post when I find out.

    Rodriguez is a done deal to the Giants! :)

  • 57 lassie01 // Jul 16, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Liquid,

    Congrats to Orlandito,

    Any word on Yorman’s situation?

  • 58 John // Jul 17, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    There is a commentor on Nationals Farm Authority that says to look for a “major” international signing by the Nats in the next two weeks. Has anyone heard anything?

  • 59 Squire // Jul 23, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Liquid - any further information on the names of the guys the Phillies signed? Thanks.

  • 60 Joe // Jul 23, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Who are the top unsigned players?

  • 61 Wei // Jul 26, 2008 at 12:51 am

    https://www.taiwanbaseball.blogspot.com/2008/07/cubs-sign-pitcher-from-taiwan.html

    Cubs Sign Pitcher from Taiwan…..
    The Cubs inked their third kid from Taiwan: RHP Hsin-Hong Tsai from Chiayi County’s Tong-Shi HS. He follows his predecessors: Hong-Wen Chen and Chih-Hsiang Wen (has since been released). Tsai stands 6′0” & is listed at 177 pounds (may be closer to ~150 pounds). His pitching repertoire includes a FB that tops out at 90 (sits around 86-89), below avg breaking stuff, below avg command, decent arm action, - he has some projectability. The Cubs beat out the Twins by signing him for $130k.

  • 62 Chris // Jul 28, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Thanks, Wei. Hung-Wen Chen (or Hong-Wen) has had a great season between Peoria and Daytona…hopefully this is another good signing for Pac Rim scout Steve Wilson and the Cubs.

    I hope there are more guys coming out of Taiwan (or South Korea and Australia) for the Cubs since they appear to be quiet in Latin America.

  • 63 Wei // Jul 30, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    2 Cuban players defected…

    https://www.canada.com/topics/sports/story.html?id=71f8739e-7994-430e-95cc-9cf044bc6a98

  • 64 Joe // Aug 15, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Liquid, do you happen to know if two of the top players from Curacao’s 2004 LLWS team Jurickson Profar and Jonathan Schoop turned into potential prospects worth signing by a MLB team? thanks

  • 65 lassie01 // Aug 15, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    I can’t believe we haven’t heard anything on Yorman yet. I thought his birthday was today? Any word on him anybody?

  • 66 RAY // Aug 16, 2008 at 4:16 am

    Yorman Rodriguez signed with the Reds. $ was not mentioned. Reds look like they are the Dominant force in Latin America with the signing of Juan Duran and Yorman Rodriguez . Keep it up.

  • 67 lassie01 // Aug 16, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Ray, do you have a source? I’ve been looking for a article or something but haven’t found anything. It seems like the $$$ he got would be a big part of the story seeing as it might be the second most ever given to a LA signing.

    If true, between Duran, Yorman, and Yonder Alonso, the Reds have spent some major coin on prospects in the last several months.

  • 68 RAY // Aug 16, 2008 at 10:46 am

    My source says he saw in the VZ papers that YROD signed for $2.7 not sure if that can be confirmed.

  • 69 Chris // Aug 18, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Baseball America has the Yorman Rodriguez signing. They also said the bonus is $2.7 million but that figure wasn’t confirmed.

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